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I Just Wanna Celebrate

05/31/11

I Just Wanna Celebrate

Dennis Prager writes "On Celebrating the Death of Evil People":

Pastor Brian McLaren, named one of Time magazine's "25 Most Influential Evangelicals in America" in 2005, expressed this objection. Reacting to television images of young Americans chanting "USA! USA!" the night bin Laden's death was announced, the pastor wrote, "I can only say that this image does not reflect well on my country. ... Joyfully celebrating the killing of a killer who joyfully celebrated killing carries an irony that I hope will not be lost on us. Are we learning anything, or simply spinning harder in the cycle of violence?"

Likewise, many Jews, including rabbis, have cited traditional -- though seemingly conflicting -- Jewish attitudes regarding how to react to the death of evildoers.

One frequently cited source is a famous one from the Talmud: "When the Egyptians were drowning in the Sea of Reeds, the angels wanted to sing. But God said to them, 'The work of my hands is drowning in the sea, and you want to sing?'"

Also cited is the biblical Book of Proverbs: "When your enemy falls, do not rejoice, and when he stumbles, let your heart not exult."

On the other hand, the Talmud also states, "When the wicked perish from the world, good comes to the world." And the Book of Proverbs also states, "When the wicked perish, there is joyful song."

So what is one to make of this mixture of sentiments?

I do not see them as contradictory. God may chastise angels for singing at the drowning of the Egyptian army. But God does not chastise Moses and the Children of Israel for singing at the Egyptians' drowning. People may do so; angels may not.

Really Prager should have found something else to write about, as he obviously doesn't even understand his own religion and the message it's supposed to send.

  09:54:00 am by Ragamuffin, Categories: News

3 comments

Comment from: grygus [Member]
grygus

I didn't bother to follow the link and I am not Jewish, but is it really a fundamental misunderstanding to suggest that God holds angels to higher standards than humans? When people sin they get forgiven, just for the asking. When Lucifer fucked up, he got banished.

05/31/11 @ 10:44
Comment from: ragamuffin [Member]
Ragamuffin

It's possible if you ignore the rest of the Bible. You'd have to believe that stumbling isn't cause for singing but seeing them get shot in the head is. You'd also have to believe that the "Children of Israel" and God heard it and it wasn't mentioned in the Bible.

05/31/11 @ 14:15
Comment from: grygus [Member]
grygus

"It's possible if you ignore the rest of the Bible."

You will have to explain this, because though it's been a long time since I read it, I have read the Bible and as I recall it isn't mostly concerned with how the angels are treated. How would I have to ignore the whole book to hold this position?

"You'd have to believe that stumbling isn't cause for singing but seeing them get shot in the head is."

Transparent straw man. The snippet you posted says exactly the opposite.

"You'd also have to believe that the "Children of Israel" and God heard it and it wasn't mentioned in the Bible."

I am not sure what word is missing here so I won't respond except to ask for clarification.

05/31/11 @ 15:52
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